The 'Grint' Family

1908 - Ivy Maud
1933 - Terry Arthur
1934 - Hazel Grace
1951 - Joy Brenda

 

 

Bertie Grint
1883 - 1961

Memories.....
Lovely picture of Grandad 'Feet' Grint we used to call him that because he always wrapped his feet around us children, it is the way I always remembered him, he was in his back garden at 43 Motum Road near his outside fish tank - John Grint.

Husband:

Bertie Grint  

Born:

October 08, 1883 Wellington Lane, St Giles, Norwich *
Died: March 26, 1962 43 Motum Road, Norwich - age 78
Buried: 1962  
Parents 'unknown' - follow mother >>>
&
Elizabeth Maria Smith
*
Wellington Lane is still there today but the houses have long gone. It is the small road running parallel with Grapes Hill (known then as St Giles Hill), only accessible via St Benedicts, in those days the first part of the road was Duck Lane to the junction of Pottergate, the upper section was the Wellington Lane refered to in Bertie's birth certificate. The houses backed onto the old city wall
 

 

Wife 1:

Rose Eva Jelley  

Born:

April 8, 1884 Lincoln Court, Grapes Hill, Norwich. *
Died: June 25, 1936 Thr Lodge, Bowethorpe Rd, Norwich age 52
Buried: 1936 'The Lodge' is The West Norwich Hospital
Parents Alfred-Alton-Jelley
&
Naomi Potter
*
I have still to locate Lincoln's Court/Yard but it appears that it was in the same area that Bertie was born . It could be that Rose and Bertie new each other as children or went to school togther.

 

Married:

April 13, 1904 The Register Office: Norwich

 

 

Children:

Name:

Date of birth:
Birth Place:
Frederick Albert Grint 1905 Norwich - Mar quarter 4b / 99
Walter Alfred Grint 1906 Norwich - Jun quarter 4b / 177
Ivy Maud Grint March 09, 1908 12 Kings Square: Globe Street: Heigham , Norwich
Norwich - Jun quarter 4b / 165
Arthur George Grint 1910 Norwich - Mar quarter 4b / 127
Bertie Grint 1912 Norwich - March quarter 4b / 280
Leonard Edward Grint 1913 Norwich - Sep quarter 4b / 277
Child death - Norwich Sep quarter 4b / 167 - age 0
Leonard K Grint August 13, 1914 Crooks Place. Norwich - Sep quarter 4b / 310
Edna May Grint 1919 Norwich - Mar quarter 4b / 214
Doris Eva Grint December 29, 1920 Norwich - 1921 Mar quarter 4b / 271
Iris Rose Grint 1923 Norwich - Jun quarter 4b / 297
Cecil R. D. Stanley Grint September 18, 1924 Norwich - Dec quarter 4b / 219

 

 
 
Winnie Watts
 

Wife 2:

Winifred E (Ethel or Ellen?) Bettles  

Born:

1899? Wellingbro - Sep quarter (3b 157)
Died: 1991 Norwich - 92?
Buried: 1991  
Parents  
&
 

 

I have been told that Bertie met Winnie whilst he was working in the Bell Hotel Norwich, Bertie was working there as a painter and decorator at the time but I am unsure what Winnie's job was or if she worked there at all. They lived at 43 Motum Road, Norwich

Married:

1951 Norwich - Dec quarter 4b / 1204

 

 

Children:

Name:

Date of birth:
Birth Place:
Ann R. Bettles 1935 Kings Lynn - Jun quarter 4b / 397

Ann R. Grint married Gerald R. Farrow in 1955 at Norwich

 
 

Above is an old picture that I have spent hours repairing of Bertie & Rose with some of their children
My grandmother 'Ivy' is third from the left.
Crooks Place, Norwich - 1915

The baby on Rose's lap is Len, he was born August 13, 1914, so I think this will safely date the picture as 1915.

 

Something I found on the internet which gives some idea of what these properties were like. Crooks Place was at the top of what we now known as St Stephens the other side of Chaplefield Road behind the Multi York Store.
'The houses in Crooks Place were two up two down Georgian slums off Nicholas Street, in the “new city” but better known as Crooks Place. This area suffered extensively from bombing in the Second World War although, luckily, people living at the St. Stephens Square end of the street escaped damage. The houses was in a poor enough state without the the bombing, they were riddled with mice. These poor creatures must have been terrified by the explosions because we could hear them racing up and down the walls behind the crumbling lath and plaster. Indeed my Mum was more terrified of those mice than she was of the Luftwaffe and they scared her enough. The stairs rose at a dizzyingly vertical angle and had very narrow treads. the backyard had communal facilities'.
I have found some mention that children went to school in Crooks Place, an infants school which had a fish pond as well as Bignold School. There are also other stories that when these properties were demolished the families were moved to Mile Cross or The Larkman. Many families had to spend the first night in their new home without their furniture as it had to be fumigated.

File Information:

 

More on Bertie Grint.....

1883: October 8, Birth of Bertie ('Bertie' is the only name recorded on the certificate) at Wellington Lane, St Giles, Norwich
Mother: Maria Grint formally Smith - Washerwoman
Father: The space is blank - See Thomas Grints page Entry 1871 - Death of Thomas Grint age 22
Registered: November 19, 1883
Entry 138 - information from file certificate.

1883: Baptism record
St Giles Church, Norwich
Bertie Grint born Oct 08, 1883 - Baptised Dec 02, 1883
Father: (left blank)
Mother: Maria of St Giles
Entry: 715

1891: Census - 162 Nelson Street, Norwich
Elizabeth M Grint - Head - age 41 - Most confussing as the record shows Married - Laundry - born Old Lakenham
Hannah M Grint - Daughter - age 19 - Tailoress - born Norwich
George Grint - Son - age 17 - Shoemaker - born Norwich
Rosina Grint - Daughter - age 13 - Dress Girl - born Norwich
Bertie Grint - Son - age 7 - Scholar - born Norwich

1901: Census - 32 Coach and Horse Street, Norwich
Elizabeth M Grint - Head - Window - age 52 - Seller - Own Account - born Norwich - Own Account means self-employed.
Bertie Grint. - Son - age 17 - Painter - born Norwich Norfolk.
John Daynes - Boader - Windower - age 55 - General Labour - born Norfolk

1904: April 30, Marriage at The Register Office:- District ??wich:- Norwich
Bertie-Grint Bachelor, Age 20, Carpenter-Joinaryman- of 32 Coach and Horses Street, Norwich
Rose-Eva-Jelley Spinster, Age 20, Chocolate Packer of 7 Kings Square, Globe Street. Norwich
Father: Thomas Grint:- Grocer:- Deceased
Father: Alfred-Alton-Jelley:- General Laborer:- Deceased
Witnesses:- Robert Wurr & Rosina May Wurr

Entry 193 - information from file certificate.

1911: Census - 21 Cross Globe Street, Norwich - A property of 5 rooms
Bertie Grint - Head - age 27 - married - House Painter / Builder - born Norwich
Rose Grint - Wife - age 26 - married - born Norwich
Frederick Grint - Son - age 6 - born Norwich
Walter Grint - Son - age 4 - born Norwich
Ivy Grint - Daughter - age 3 - born Norwich
Arthur Grint - Son - age 1 - born Norwich
Violet Wurr - Niece - age 16 - Single - born Norwich
Hilda Wurr - Niece - age 9 - born Norwich
Voilet and Hilda Wurr were staying at their uncle Bertie's while their parents were at their grandmother's (below). This is because the Wurr family were preparing to move to Canada.

1911: Census - 32 Coach And Horses St Norwich
Reference Rg14pn11320 Rg78pn614 Rd225 Sd2 Ed31 Sn95 - Type of property - Private house - 5 rooms
Elizabeth Maria Grint - Head - widow - age 61 - Milk Seller Retail - Working at home - born Norwich, Norfolk
John Daines - Boarder - Widow - age 68 - Agricultural Labourer - born Siddingham Norfolk
Robert Wurr - Vistor (should be son-inlaw) - Married - age 37 - Agricultural Labourer - born Norwich Norfolk
Rosina May Wurr - Vistor (should be daughter) - Married - Housewife - age 34 - born Norwich Norfolk
Tom Wurr - Vistor (should be grandson) - age 3 - Juvenile - born Norwich Norfolk
Reginald George Wurr (should be grandson) - Vistor - age 1 - Juvenile - born Norwich Norfolk

1915: The family had moved to to Crooks Place, Norwich, where the above family picture was taken - Bertie appears to have loined the army.

Campaign Medals - Military, armed forces & conflict - First World War
Name: Bertie Grint
Service Number: 85077
Rank: Pioneer
Corps: Royal Engineers

Courtesy of
John Grint
Birtie's Grandson

 

1962: March 26, Death of Bertie Grint age 78, Painter & Decorator (retired) at 43 Motum Road, Norwich
Cause of death: Corobral haemorrhage.
Present at death: L. Grint, son of 45 Motum Road, Norwich
Registered March 26, 1962
Entry 285
- information from file certificate.

 

More on Rose Eva Jelley (1884 - 1936) ....

Rose Grint with Iris & Cecil (Sam)

Born:

April 8, 1884 Lincoln Court, Grapes Hill, Norwich. *
Died: June 25, 1936 Thr Lodge, Bowethorpe Rd, Norwich age 52
Buried: 1936 'The Lodge' is The West Norwich Hospital
Parents Alfred-Alton-Jelley
&
Naomi Potter

The marriage of Rose Eva Jelley's Parents

1876: July 9, Marriage at Princes Street, Norwich, Congregational Chapel
Alfred Alton Jelley: age 27, Bachelor, Private 6th Dragon Guards, The Barracks St James, Norwich, UK
Naomi Potter: age 17, Spinster, Shoe Machinist, Chapel Yard, Princes Street, St Michael at Plea, Norwich, UK
Father: John Jelley, Deceased Draper
Father: William Potter, Florist
Witnesses: Joseph Ambrose Smith & Emma Potter
Entry 166 - information from file certificate.

Rose's brother and parents
1881: Census - 5, Lincolns Court, Heigham Norwich
Alfred A Jelley - Head - Married - 32 1849 - General Laborer - Wigford, Lincolnshire
Naomi Jelley - Wife - 22 1859 - Norwich, Norfolk
Herbert G Jelley - Son - 1 1880 - Norwich, Norfolk

1884: April 8, Birth of Rose Eva Jelley - Lincoln's Court, Grapes Hill, Norwich, UK
Father: Alfred Alton Jelley - Coach Builders Labour
Mother: Naomi Potter
Entry 199 - information from file certificate.

1891: Census - 16 Neal Square, St Benedict, Norwich
Alfred A. Jelley - Head - age 42 - Window Cleaner and News Paper Seller - born Licoln, Lincolnshire
Naomi Jelley - Wife - age 32 - born Norwich
Liley N. Jelly - Daughter - age 8 - Scholar - born Norwich
Rose E. Jelley - Daughter - age 6 - Scholar - born Norwich
May G. Jelley - Daughter - age 4 - born Norwich
Florence B. Jelley - Daughter - age 2 - born Norwich

1892: Octobr 4, Rose's mother Naomi died age 32, of Pelvic Cellulitis Parametritis in the Norfolk Norwich Hospital wife of Alfred Alton Jelley, News Agent.
Entry 439 - information from file certificate.

1901: Census
Rose Jelley 16 Norfolk Norwich Norfolk Redenhall With Harleston Servant Domestic

1903: December 25, Rose's father Alfred Alton Jelley died age 56, of Heart Disease. E. Jelley (widow of the deceased) was present at death.showing Alfred remarried. Address at death, 12 St Lawrence Lane, St Lawrence, Norwich. His ocupation was recorded as News Paper Vendor.
Entry 498 - information from file certificate.

1904: April 30, Marriage at The Register Office, Norwich
Bertiet-Grint - Age 20, Bachelor - Carpenter-Joinaryman of 32 Coach and Horses Street: Norwich
Rose-Eva-Jelley -Age 20, Spinster - Chocolate Packer of 7 Kings Square: Globe Street. Norwich
Father: Thomas Grint:- Grocer:- Deceased
Father: Alfred-Alton-Jelley:- General Laborer:- Deceased
Witnesses:- Robert Warr & Rosina May Warr

Entry: 193 - information from file certificate.

1906: Sep quarter - Norwich - 4b / 320 - May Gertrude Jelley (Rose's sister) married Frederick William Bannister
May and Frederick had children:

1 - Frederick William Bannister - Fred married Mary A. M. Brandish in 1929 at Norwich - Jun quarter 4b / 245. – I would think the ‘M’ stood for May as that is how she was known. Fred and May moved to Canada about 1947-8.
They had children:

1 - Vera M. R. Bannister – born 1930 at Norwich - Jun quarter 4b / 134
2 - Jean M. Bannister – born 1933 at Norwich – Sep quarter 4b / 186
3 - Roger. Bannister – born 1938 at Norwich – Jun quarter 4b / 121

There were two other children with the mother’s name Jelley which I assume stayed in the Norwich area
2 - George E. Bannister – born 1912 at Norwich - Mar quarter 4b / 213
3 - Jack D. Bannister – born 1916 at Norwich – Mar quarter 4b / 244

1911: Census - 21 Cross Globe Street, Norwich - A property of 5 rooms
Bertie Grint - Head - age 27 - married - House Painter / Builder - born Norwich
Rose Grint - Wife - age 26 - married - born Norwich
Frederick Grint - Son - age 6 - born Norwich
Walter Grint - Son - age 4 - born Norwich
Ivy Grint - Daughter - age 3 - born Norwich
Arthur Grint - Son - age 1 - born Norwich
Violet Wurr - Niece - age 16 - Single - born Norwich
Hilda Wurr - Niece - age 9 - born Norwich

1936: June 25, Death of Rose Eva Grint age 52 of 19 Cross Globe Street, Norwich
Wife of Bertie Grint a Painter & Decorator
Cause of Death: Carcinoma of Colon
Present at Death: B. Grint, widower of the deceased in attendance.
Registered: June 26 1936
Entry 313 -
information from file certificate.

When I told my father (Raymond Ernest Taylor) that I had Rose's death certificate he told me that each day he used to take his grandmother a cake in her final days, as they only lived a short walk from the hospital. - Ray Taylor

Rose Eva Jelley had 3 sisters - some records show this but I have no concrete confirmation. - Need checking
1/ Lily Jelley, born 1884 married unknown? and had two daughters: Doreen Jelley born 19?? & Valerie Jelley born 1940 who married Brian Hipperson born 1937 - Why do Lily Jelly's daughters have her surname?
2/ Gertrude Jelley born 1886
3/ Florence Jelley born 1887

More information on Rose Eva Jelley's family..... taken from birth/death certificates

Rose Eva Jelley's Father's Birth.
1847: January 14, Birth of Alfred Alton Jelley at St Mary’s Wigford in the county of Lincoln
Father: John Jelley – Draper
Mother: Mary Barrett
Entry 78 - information from file certificate.

1903: December 25, Alred Alton Jelly died age 56 (see above)

Rose Eva Jelley's Mother's Birth.
1859: March 7, Birth of Naomi Potter of Wagon & Horse Lane, Tombland, Norwich.
Father: William Potter – Hawker of Fish
Mother: Martha Girdlestone
Entry 387 - information from file certificate.

1892: October 4, Naomi Jelly (Potter) died age 32 (see above)

Back one more generation.....

Rose Eva Jelley's Grandparents on her father's side.
1841: January 11, Marriage in the parish church in the parish of St Mary's of Wigford, Lincoln
John Jelley, of full age, Widower, Draper
Mary Barratt, age 17, Spinster,
Father: Willaim Jelley, Trade not clear
Father: George Barratt, Basket Maker
Entry 28 - information from file certificate.

Rose Eva Jelley's Grandfather' death
1850: January 28, Death of John Jelly age 47 at 195 High Street, St Mary Le Wigford, Licoln
Cause of Death - Diseased Lungs
Present at death: Mary Bishop of Burley's Court, ???? Lincoln
Entry 323
- information from file certificate.

Rose Eva Jelley's Grandparents on her mother's side.
1848: August 14, Marriage in the Register Office in the District of Norwich, Norfolk
William Potter, age 27, Bachelor, Trade not clear, of St Augustine's Norwich
Matha Giddelstone, age 22, Spinster, Silk Filler, of St Augustine's, Norwich
Father: Thomas Potter, Weaver
Father: Willaim Giddlestone, Weaver

Entry 188 - information from file certificate.

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   

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